Salan Holy Orders

[Satange]

A thread for your comments concerning the last update: the Salan Holy Orders.

[Raesene]

Excellent work! It provides some great framework for those of us who plan on having religion play a large part in our characters' lives. I'm once again thinking of some excellent RP ideas for mine. All praise The One!

[Sweetwater]

Always good to read more Salan history. Although my character will not be as bold as Jarol, I am thinking she may lean toward the Jarolite ways.

I am more of a background player in that I am not the leader type, but a helper instead. So I am hoping that in these Orders there will be opportunities to assist without being outright zealous for the cause. As I have aluded to in the Salanian Forum I offer my services to those in service to Adel as I can. I look forward to seeing how this will be played out in game.

[judgement]

I must say it was extremely fortuitous for the Salans that Jarol's astute observations could come to pass during such dark times. But it is even more fortuitous that his views could actually proliferate through the populace, gaining recognition of truth and universal acceptance, in the face of such a long history of ignorance and bloodshed.

We should only be so lucky, in the real world, to have such an enlightened person impact our theological mainframe so radically in a so-called postmodern civilization that claims to be so experienced and knowledgable.

However, I have a feeling that the Jarolites, like enlightened pacifists of our own past, will find that the teeming masses of easily influenced and self-concerned unenlightened will pose some serious problems for the long term existence of religiously mandated tolerance. No doubt in some all-too-near future, the jihad's war machine will again place the eye of inquisition from without, bringing a hell of a lot of fun and profit for all involved.

[Sir Sigmund]

Raesene it is wonderful that ye worships The One as well. <bow>

Sir Sigmund Von Welf
Knight Marshall
Order Swordbruden

[Sir Sigmund]

A thread for your comments concerning the last update: the Salan Holy Orders.

If I can stir up and ask a few questions. Mind you, not starting a fight but trying to get a better feel for what I am reading.
Holy Orders http://www.adellion.com/salanians/orders.php

What does Adellion consider a Holy Order? Is that more like a religous thing like Baptist, Jews, Catholics? Or is it more like a Bible College where you get some relgion training? Or should we consider Holy Orders to be more like the Crusading Orders of the Middle Ages in Medieval times that went forth to the Holy Lands and battled the Infidels to free Jeruslem? Or is it really none of the above? Or more like a little of all the above?

The Jarolites to me renounced fanatism and seem to have all of Adell teaching. So I say they more religious based and really not much to do with any sort of a Military structure.

The scholastics - Order of Scholastics Here is a Order that looks to be dedicated to preaching the true word and holding all that is true scared. Having learning schools called Uni-Tiers and Du-Tiers all the Scholatics do is teach like some Monks or Frairs would do. I dont see any sort of military arm in this Order.

The Pamerians - Here is yet another group that believe in Adell teaching but also believe to be poor and humble is a good thing. They are known for the austerity and sanctity of their lives and are much respected for their good works. This would be fun to roleplay for those that enjoy giving and helping out others. But once again no military arm with this sect or order if we can call it that.

The Order of Light was indeed Zealot and full of Fanatics that rather kill than to worry about what is important in Religion. Converstion by the sword never did prove in history to be the best way to win the hearts and souls of the people your over. So in 3153 TS Councils agree that membership of the Order of life shall be a criminal offence. So if the game starts about 3199 or 3200 close to 47 years later I dont really see how any one can legit play that they a member of the Order of Light. Unless the Devs want this to become more like a secret society. But then again if its a secret society how can it come to the aid of the lands incase they under attack and in danger.

Just some things to ponder and figure out.

Sir Sigmund Von Welf
Knight Marshall
Order Swordbruden

[Justiciar]

Or should we consider Holy Orders to be more like the Crusading Orders of the Middle Ages in Medieval times that went forth to the Holy Lands and battled the Infidels to free Jeruslem?

Heh.. A bunch of peasants went off to that war and ended up going crazee and disobeying their Kings, claiming to be god's only army. During this rampage they managed to rape, piliage, murder, steal, and sink to cannibalism (despite having a wealth of live-stock at their disposal.)

So who were the Infidels? I mean.. really? (Sorry to go off topic thar'!)

Edit: Nice Avatar by the way.

[Sir Sigmund]

Justiciar you make some good points. You did go a bit off topic and sure I will agree with you. What I am trying to do is more or less flesh out how my Order will interact with Adellion and the Salan Culture. What I wanted to do 3 years ago and what I gonna do today will be 2 different things. Sure I can use about 90% of my stuff for the guild that I used in other lands. But that last 10% I must have it conform to Adellion and Salan so that my roleplaying will fit seamless and flawless inside a gameing world.

Remember I come here and any other gaming world to avoid the stress of the Real World. I try to enjoy a roleplay atmosphere that I can submerge my mind in. But if a Dev or a Cultural Lead tells me that I have to wear a pink Tutu then I have to decide if that what I want or bugger out of the lands.

Salan has so much to offer, but just need to work out the final details. So was hoping to get some other ideas from others so I can see what route I like to choose for the development of my character as well as developing the guild.

Right now I see myself more of a mix of The Pamerians Order and their willingness to help aid others and stay basically poor and that of the Order of Light weilding their swords defending the honour of Adell. But the Order of Light is to radicial for me, and as you can see by the time game time comes out they truthfully more of a secret sect within the society. Sorry OSB can not play in the shadows an wear sackcloth to hide our identity.

OSB in character classes is more of a mix of Clerics, Paladins, and Frairs who go about healing, defending and thumbing folks over the head with the bible. Sure we have some support folks as well, like farmers, crafters and armours and swordsmith to ensure we always have what we need.

Like for our members to obtain Knighthood status but not sure if that will only be granted now to the Knights of Sala. I can not see and entire Regiment of Knights Sala that are all Paladins in Roleplaying persona. So not sure if their will be a variation of a warrior/figther type compared to a fighter/Religious type.

So if this is a true roleplaying world then sure we should be able to have our Paladin types. Just might not be called Paladin, but we should be able to play that. Maybe no Knighthood in volved but oh well some times you have to scrafice a name for a cause.

[Liila]

If you go back to the origins of any player group/guild, such as OSB, there is usually a primary reason it was created or developed. In some cases, it was for people to adventure together, for others maybe it was having friends for backup swords, or yet again, just helping others, which I believe was one of the fundamental legs of the OSB guild.
For that reason, it would seem more likely that the current OSB guild could fit easily into the Pamerian role just by saying "well, this is what we are essentially about", even if you might need to drop the extraneous fluff, like the military arm, promotions, etc etc.

[Nearborn]

IC:
The weak wristed Jarolites believe that they can control the minds of even the most innocent Salan. Hear me! History is codified by those in control. Who is to tell me that the Founders of our Most Holy nation were incorrect? Would there be a Salandorf for our Lord to rest His blessings upon if not for the struggles of those who supported the Truth? These "Articles of Dojelito" do not stand up to the light of that very same Truth. Watered down and Tainted by heathen teachings, they are a disgrace to all that our forefathers held dear. Half-Truths and outright lies defile the parchment that the words themselves sit upon!

The Patriarch is little more than a paper doll controlled by those who would subvert the Nation to their perverse ideas of the "Truth", and as such, I cannot in good conscience withhold from the innocent all that is Righteous and True. This Truth must be made known once again if Salans are to recapture the glory that once was theirs alone! All praise be to the One!

RL:
He He... Who's going to stop me? I'm just a pious priest, devoted to serving Adell. Nothing wrong in that, is there? :) Just as the Masonic Lodge is the Knights Templar in Scottish Drag, who says that the Order was ever truly disbanded?

[Teila]

Nice, Nearborn, but please put this sort of stuff in the roleplay forum from now on. :)

[Nearborn]

I'm just saying that just because the Order of Light was disbanded, doesn't mean that it isn't around anymore. Officially the Order is dead. But what if it didn't die, but morphed into some other entity? Or even subverted another organization? Perhaps the Order of Light is more of an idea than anything else. It was the dominant form of worship of Adell at some time, and supposedly the priests were rounded up a long time ago, but they couldn't catch all of them, right? If you were a hunted priest, where would you hide? I myself would hide behind a veil of piety and holiness. Who's to say that certain Scholastics didn't have such leanings? It would be difficult to rid an organization devoted to accurate knowledge of any long held beliefs. The writings and teachings of the Order of Light would also exist, because school teachers and librarians hate disposing of any kind of knowledge. So here is the scenario:

1. Order of Light is banned.
2. Many new "priests" arrive at the Scholastic schools, all with the desire to teach people accurate truths about Adell.
3. New "priests" teach young people about Adell, conveniently raising doubts in their young minds about the Jarolite order and the Articles of Dojelito.
4. The Order of Light exists, but no one knows. Awaiting the day that they can come out of hiding and restore the people to the true Salan beliefs, they are ever watchful and ever resourceful...

Anyway, that's one way to look at them. I mean, IF they exist, they must be hiding somewhere, right? Any thoughts?

[Crydee]

New priests teaching in that way might find themselves ex-priests before very long though. If they are not priests the headmaster of the school they teach in would fire them anyway.

[Page_Noldor]

Or....

The Order of Light remains underground, holding services in private homes and outdoor areas. They remain a secret organization and only members know of it's continued existance and services. They seek to infiltrate the current political situtation and place members in high ranking offices. Their plan is to slowly, secretly build up their power base and reveal themselves when there is no threat of retaliation from the government...since they will hold many high offices.

This would be a good roleplaying idea. Political subtrifuge and secret meetings. Since the GMs will hold the highest offices, the Order of Light would never really show themselves to the lands. But being a member and being involved in plans unknown to the general public...would add a bit of "007" intrigue.

Just my humble opinion....

Toodles,

Noldor Oncunnynge
Order Swordbrüden

[Justiciar]

They're hiding amidst the Airo, I tell you!

[Nearborn]

New priests teaching in that way might find themselves ex-priests before very long though. If they are not priests the headmaster of the school they teach in would fire them anyway.
New priests? Why couldn't they be the old priests? SOMEONE has to have been running the schools, right? They didn't just come and start from scratch and rid themselves of all of the Scholastics, or do the Jarolites also rule over the them as well? Sounds like a religion afraid of letting the truth be heard if they have to control everything...

[Suva-Tovari Nalor]

Sounds like a religion afraid of letting the truth be heard if they have to control everything...


<Laughs> Do you have much dealing with religions? That's the most common modus operandi of ALL religions... control, control, CONTROL!

[Teila]

Yeah..geesh, didn't take the real religions long to destroy all the old ways and basically make them illegal. Its the way religion operates. :) Those that wish to keep the old ways go underground.

[Justiciar]

Yay for the Papalcy.

[Nearborn]

<Laughs> Do you have much dealing with religions? That's the most common modus operandi of ALL religions... control, control, CONTROL!Exactly my point. The harder the Jarolites would try to erase all knowledge of the Order, the more the Scholastics would rebel, because they are supposedly devoted to the preservation of knowledge. They would aid the Order, even if unwillingly, by keeping that knowledge alive.

Besides, the Order isn't going to outright say that this is this and that is that. Self preservation would give them a measure of tact. They could be even among the biggest outward opposers to the Order. Picture me, a man devoted to rooting out any vestiges of the Order of Light. People look at me and say, "Wow, he sure does hate those people!" In the meantime, I use my position to actually aid other members of the Order of Light by leading wild-goose chases around the country, diverting resources to where they are least effective, and by keeping my brethren informed of the hunt. I could be pious on the outside, "Bless you my son", and devious on the inside, "I'm gonna get you sucka". It all makes sense, and sounds like a hell of a roleplay... :)

[Nearborn]

Anyway, I want to know if the Order of Light is an actual "sit down and have a meeting" kind of belief, an idealistic set of dogmas that a person would subscribe to, or a combination of the two somewhere in between. Pre-Jarolite, they were an organized religion for sure. Post-Jarolite? Who knows?... Ahem... Crydee?...

[Equalizer]

Perhaps you can try and convert others by leaving them books on their doorsteps. To communicate you can leave signs to aid your fellow worshippers.

[Teila]

Our lore is still in a state of flux and while you are free to ask for specific information, please know that not all of it has been finished. Please be patient. :)

[Crydee]

The Order of Light is a sect that believes in the primacy of Adell and, contrary to current doctrine, argues that militant action is needed to ensure that Adell reigns supreme. At this stage in Salan history they are regarded as primitive fanatics and their beliefs are heresy as they question the ominpotence of holy Adell.